Don’t forget Poland

Justin Raimondo (to whom I won’t link, but you can click through here if you insist) wants to argue that World War II was unnecessary, but there is that whole Nazi-slaughter-of-six-million-Jews thing to get around. Here’s the result:

If not for the Polish insistence on keeping Danzig, the Holocaust could conceivably have been averted – and the Cold War would most definitely have been avoided.

The poor Nazis just couldn’t help themselves, you see. Ye Gods.

12 thoughts on “Don’t forget Poland

  1. PHil says:

    I guess the whole American revolution could have been avoided if the Americans had just decided to give up their freedom and live under foreign rule. Personally, I blame the farmers.

  2. Bruce Rheinstein says:

    Why does anyone care what Justin Raimondo thinks? As with Mikey Rivero, he’s proof that any crank can “publish” on the Internet.
    If it weren’t for Pat Buchanan, no one would know who Raimondo is.

  3. James Goneaux says:

    Well, that’s basically the entire premise of recent columns by Pat Buchanan (not his first) and Michael Coren. Maybe its in the paleo-con speaking notes or something.
    I think they should be sentenced to read “Mein Kampf” a few times….

  4. ebt says:

    I’m quite sure Michael Coren said nothing of the sort, although Patrick Buchanan did. Coren’s point was that the war was a “good war” only in the sense, once it started, we did the right thing by winning it rather than trying to sue for peace and negotiate a settlement. The war was in every other sense an utterly awful thing, and letting it happen was wrong. I don’t see how that’s even open to dispute, although I see great scope for argument over just how we could have avoided the war. Hitler as it was did not have any good reason to start the war, but he did it anyway.
    The Holocaust was not the cause of the war, nor the result of it. It was the consequence of the domination of Europe by Nazi Germany. That domination was the Nazis’ goal and raison d’etre; they would have tried to achieve it by any means, and had they achieved it peacefully there would still have been a Holocaust or something tantamount to it. Whether it would have been as barbaric as it was, or harder to stop, is simply unknowable. Like all fantasy, it depends on how you fantasize it, not on anything real. But any consideration of how the war might have avoided has to take into account the notion that avoiding the war would not necessarily have meant avoiding the Holocaust, and might have meant enabling it.

  5. James Goneaux says:

    Well, that isn’t readily apparent in his column when he wrote:
    “While the Jewish people had been dreadfully persecuted and even sometimes killed since 1933 there was no wholesale murder until war was declared.
    In fact it is highly unlikely that there could have been any wholesale murder without war. ”
    To me its fairly obvious that, like Buchanan, Coren is saying that if there was no war, there would be no Holocaust. I don’t know how to read this otherwise.

  6. Mark Collins says:

    More on the column by Mr Coren–a letter sent to the “Toronto Sun” and not published:
    ‘Michale Coren writes (“A war built on lies”, Sept. 5)
    that “the Americans [atomic] bombed the Japanese, not to end the war but to warn the Soviets”. He also writes that “there was never any serious plan to use nuclear weapons against Berlin or Munich.”
    Mr Coren is dead wrong and has fallen victim to leftist revisionist historians. Before the two atomic bombs were dropped the Japanese were absolutely determined not to surrender on any terms acceptable to the United Nations (the official name of the anti-Axis alliance). Had the war continued the loss of both Japanese and American lives in the planned invasion of Japan would have far dwarfed those killed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In addition hundreds of thousands, at a minimum, of the inhabitants of countries occupied by Japan–e.g. Korea, Vietnam, much of China–would almost certainly have starved. The economy of Japan’s “Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere” was rapidly collapsing under allied blockade and the Japanese were commandeering more and more of increasingly scant resources for themselves. The death of tens of thousand of allied prisoners of war held in occupied territories was also likely.
    The simple fact is that use of atomic bombs was the only way to end the war promptly; countless lives were saved. As for not planning to use atomic weapons on Germany, does Mr Coren really think the Americans and British would have had any scruples about that when their conventional bombing killed some 600,000 civilians?
    The bomb was in fact developed largely out of fear that the Germans would get one first. The simple reality is that the war in Europe ended before bombs were produced. Had they been available before, say, April 1945 (by which time it was finally clear the war would end very shortly) they would most probably have been used to shorten the conflict.’

  7. LJB says:

    “I guess the whole American revolution could have been avoided if the Americans had just decided to give up their freedom and live under foreign rule.”
    How could they be living under “foreign” rule when they were citizens of the British Empire?

  8. Bruce Rheinstein says:

    The underlying cause of the Revolutionary War is that while the colonists saw themselves as Englishmen, with the full democratic rights of Englishmen, the British view was that the American colonies were just colonies to be used and exploited in whatever way best suited Great Britain.
    When Burke wrote, “I do not know the method of drawing up an indictment against an whole people”, he reflected the Parliamentary view that the American people were separate and distinct. Hence rule from London can be accurately described as foreign rule.
    But thanks for stopping by and picking nits.

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